Review: Geeks Toy

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"Existing users are often fanatical about Geeks Toy and there’s good reason for that. If you’re new to sports trading it comes highly recommended."

Geeks Toy is a Betfair trading software that offers style and substance with its near unlimited range of customisation options alongside a couple of standout unique features. It is the only software that is available for trading the big three Betting Exchanges in Betfair, Betdaq and Matchbook. Whilst it only works natively on Windows operating system, it runs perfectly well on Mac using a multi-boot utility tool called Bootcamp.

How Does Betfair Trading Software Work?

Betfair trading software allows sports traders to see the full depth of the markets through ladder interfaces. This helps traders analyse markets much more effectively whilst also providing them with the edge of instant one-click order placement and greening up when hedging a trade. Geeks Toy trading software provides a platform for novice users to seamlessly execute these functions.

If you’re new to sports trading and are not quite sure why traders use software then you may want to have a read of our Betfair Trading Software Overview.

What Do I Get with Geeks Toy?

The option of a 3 month or one year’s subscription to the Geeks Toy trading software for Betfair and this includes all of the features discussed in this review. There is a full-feature 14-day free trial available, whilst the Betdaq and Matchbook versions are completely free to download and use.

What Edge Will It Give Me?

Geeks Toy is an incredible piece of software that is reliable and fully customisable whilst also being one of the cheapest on the market.

It is a perfect place to start for anyone wishing to take their sports trading seriously through using dedicated software.

What Features Does Geeks Toy Offer?

Whilst it may not have as many advanced features as its nearest competitor, Bet Angel, this is a cheaper software that is fully customisable, reliable and perfect for any newcomer to sports trading. Below is a list of its main features and their functions:

Full Customisation

The level of customisation in Geeks Toy is incredible and is one of the standout features that makes people love it so much. It really is a toy for sports trading geeks. When I first installed it, I spent a couple of hours just playing with it and setting it up in the way that suited me. There are so many ways you can customise the look and how information is displayed.

When I’m trading a sport other than horse racing I use Geeks Toy on my ‘desktop’ 13” Macbook Pro, which is connected to two 21” monitors, through an application called Bootcamp. But for the majority of the time i’m using it on my 12” Macbook where the level of customisation is an incredible benefit due to my limited screen space.

Estimated Queue Position

Another standout feature is the Estimated Queue Position setting. As the name suggests this will give you an estimation of the amount of money in the queue waiting to be matched before yours. This is an awesome feature that will inform you how close you are to getting your money matched – allowing you to make a decision on whether to keep it there or move it – this is of particular benefit when scalping.

In the example image below, you can see that i’ve placed a £25 lay bet at odds of 2.14. On the right, you can see the volume traded at each price – however, for this price it is now displaying an estimate of the amount of money waiting in the queue to be matched (£122) before my £25 order starts to be matched.

I can still roughly tell how much money has been previously traded at 2.14 as the green fill bar is almost at the same capacity as the price above (2.16) where £5.4k has been matched. I can estimate that £5k has been matched at 2.14 and that my £25 has a good chance of being taken.

Geeks Toy Estimated Queue Position Feature
Geeks Toy Estimated Queue Position Feature

Estimated Queue Position is an extremely useful feature for those who prefer scalping.

Multi-Market Trading

When you open a market, it pops up in the form of a module window. If you want you can have as many of these modules open at any one time (providing your computer can handle it). You can arrange them anywhere you want on your screen and even minimise them whilst keeping the tab in the background, ready to maximise when you want to interact with that market again.

Reliability

Geeks Toy is fast, responsive and provides great reliability. It displays any issues with the API status on the overview panel. There has only been one issue that I remember during my usage and it was actually turned out to be a fault that Betfair had created by mistake. Yes, really. Betfair can be that incompetent at times.

Geeks Toy API Status Box
Geeks Toy API Status Box

Available for 3 Major Betting Exchanges

Geeks Toy is available for Betfair, Betdaq and Matchbook with the only real differences being the look and a couple of nuances that are unique to each particular betting exchange.

Live Video

The software pulls in the live video from Betfair for each event so you can watch it in your own Geeks Toy pop-up module instead of having to click onto Betfair each time a new race starts. Unfortunately, this hasn’t worked on my Mac version… Nor does it work on my Bootcamp version of Windows on my ‘desktop’ Mac. But it definitely works for Windows PC users.

Charting

You can pick from a range of charting options and display them however you want. I really like how customisable the Overview chart is. You can also have technical charts such as Weight of Money, Traded Volume, Price Line, Price Candle and MACD charts above, below or to the side of your ladders. The Betfair charts stay either above or below.

Support and Training

I’ve never had to ask The Geek for support but I know he and users of the software will usually answer any queries on the forum. However, the user-guide is so in-depth it’s likely you will find your answer there.

Training is available in the aforementioned user-guide along with numerous videos on YouTube that have been created by fanatical users of the software. Professional trader Caan Berry, who many of you may already be familiar with, has a few videos on his set-up on his YouTube channel.

Clicking the ‘?’ on any module taskbar and it will display information related to what is being displayed.

Pricing

The software is one of the cheapest on the market – but that is no reflection on its quality. In fact, the creator of the Geeks Toy software built it for his own personal use initially and, at the beginning, allowed other people to use it for free until they told him that he should really start charging for it. He was reluctant to do so but did in the end. What a nice guy. But when software is this great you would feel bad for not contributing to the creator.

Geeks Toy is available for £20 for 3 months or £60 for the year – which is just incredible value. You can also avail of a 14-day free trial. The Geek also runs a special one or two times throughout the year where existing customers can buy a license to the software for life – I believe this is around £120. Again, this is immense value being offered here.

Geeks Toy on Mac and PC

Geeks Toy is only available natively on Windows PCs. However, I have been able to get it working natively on my Mac through a combination of persistence and Wine (not that type of wine, unfortunately). Wine is an open source software that facilitates the running of Windows software on a Mac.

My goal was to write up a guide for STT of how I was able to achieve this, but having tried to replicate the process months later I wasn’t able to install it and get it working. These are the links for the information I used when installing it for anyone who wants to give it a go themselves:

Installing Geeks Toy through Wine, Geeks Toy Forum: http://www.geekstoy.com/forum/showthread.php?8064-Geeks-Toy-now-runs-on-Apple-OSX&p=112540&viewfull=1#post112540
Wine Installation Instructions: https://www.davidbaumgold.com/tutorials/wine-mac/

(I will pay £25 to anyone who successfully uses Wine to install Geeks Toy on their Mac and writes down the exact notes of the process of how they done it. You can get in contact with me via email, Facebook, or Twitter to let me know you’re giving it a crack)

As said Geeks Toy only works natively on Windows – so if you’re on a PC you have no issues. If you’re a Mac user, however, then you have two options: either install Bootcamp and Windows 10 (which is an arduous process) or attempt to install it using Wine. Unfortunately, it does not work using Parallels, or at least I couldn’t get it to.

I have installed it via both methods. You can expand the boxes below to view the pros and cons of both of my experiences:

Running Geeks Toy via Bootcamp

  • Worked without any issues once it was finally installed
  • Bootcamp is free to install as it’s a Mac application
  • It took me around 4 hours to install Bootcamp as I encountered numerous problems which I had to scour Apple forums to find the answers to
  • You must purchase Windows 10
  • Must reboot your Mac every time you want to load up Windows
  • The sound on Windows didn’t work through my Mac’s internal speakers so I had to connect it to Bluetooth to enable me to hear audio signals
  • You must allocate a portion of your hard drive (called ‘partitioning’) to Bootcamp – this takes up at least 20gb

Running Geeks Toy via Wine

  • Loads up in a matter of seconds – no restarting your Mac every time you’re preparing for a trading session
  • Free – no purchasing of Windows 10 or any virtualisation software like Parallels. Wine is open source and free
  • Could hear the software’s audio alerts
  • It’s really cool opening your Macbook and having this neat looking little software running!
  • It’s one hell of pain to install via Wine if you’re not a tech geek. I am most certainly not one but persevered until I got it working. It did take about 2-3 hours though
  • Can be quite intensive on your Mac’s resources if you have multiple markets open at one time

Final Thoughts

I love Geeks Toy. I also love using Bet Angel too. They both provide different features and functions for me and I’m happy to switch between one or the other. Geeks Toy is my favourite software for football trading due to its handiness on my Macbook but in truth I could use it for just about any sport I wanted to trade. Existing users are often fanatical about it and there’s good reason for that. If you’re new to sports trading it comes highly recommended.

Top Tips

  • Make use of the Estimated Queue Position feature, especially when scalping
  • Level of display customisation
  • Available to use for the top three Betting Exchanges in Betfair, Betdaq and Matchbook
  • Made by sports trading professionals for sports trading professionals
  • No native Mac version and does not work via Parallels (at least, I couldn’t find a way to make it work)
  • Does work via installing an open sourced software called Wine but, like installing Bootcamp, this is an arduous process for someone who is not a tech geek. For more information please see the section related to this above

FAQ

Do I need software to trade Betfair?

For some sports and markets you don’t necessarily need it but it does greatly help. If you were attempting to trade Horse Racing pre-race without specialised trading software then you would find it almost impossible.

Does Geeks Toy include a practice mode?

Yes.

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